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Ismael de Figueiredo



Joined: 23 Jan 2008
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PostPosted: Saturday, 02 February 2008 14:14    Post subject: Venues Reply with quote

We need 3 venues in England within 5 years if we want a chance of developing further.

Does anyone knows how mutch will cost an open rink, including land and running costs?

Is out there anyone prepared to put a building rink plan on paper, with appropriate steps information how to do it.

If the NRHA doesnt have such plan, I think one should so we can perhas all work torwards it.

My suggestion as a form of helping building two more rinks in England ( North and Center):

We are throwing how mutch money into this Club600 per year? Instead of giving it to a development officer who doesnt develope, how many years would we need until we get required amount to built two more venues?
If the NRHA goes torwards this I will join the Club600.

HB Clubs will soon have a new rink. In my oppinion a new full size rink around Bury another somewhere central in the North, will help enormously develop RH, instead of wasting money on Team England development officer.

I may be missed informed, but say that the Club600 provides £13k per year x 5 years = 1 rink with a bit of help perhaps from the Sports Funds. But if we have some capital, then I trust it all be easier.

Carlos
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daz



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PostPosted: Monday, 04 February 2008 09:49    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think £65k will be nowehere near enough to purchase even the land on which to build a rink.

I would guess you need nigh on £1/2million to get a decent venue open and operating. And that may even be a conservative guess.
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Kos Galtos



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PostPosted: Tuesday, 05 February 2008 00:05    Post subject: Reply with quote

Councils are more than willing to provide land in return for a well thought out business case/plan.

Just like buying a house, the "£65k" can be used as a deposit on construction. say it represents a 20% deposit that means you could secure more than £335K for construction costs.

A bankable feasibility study could be produced via one of the many Architects/Engineers in our sport on spec and with support from their company, with firm prices from a builder who commits estimating resources in exchange for a guarantee they will get the work without tender.

With a deposit, bankable feasibility study and personal / association guarantees, all that remains is a realistic revenue plan based on secure commitments - so bills can be paid (finance costs, electricity, etc).

This can be secured by renting time to other indoor sport (leaving the best spots for RH), profiting from a bar, leasing office space within building (maybe a Gym), Association contracting to hold a minimum number of events (like tournaments or national trainings) etc.

This is easy stuff. Just needs someone to grab it!!

Kos
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daz



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PostPosted: Tuesday, 05 February 2008 09:39    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kos Galtos wrote:
Councils are more than willing to provide land in return for a well thought out business case/plan.

Just like buying a house, the "£65k" can be used as a deposit on construction. say it represents a 20% deposit that means you could secure more than £335K for construction costs.

A bankable feasibility study could be produced via one of the many Architects/Engineers in our sport on spec and with support from their company, with firm prices from a builder who commits estimating resources in exchange for a guarantee they will get the work without tender.

With a deposit, bankable feasibility study and personal / association guarantees, all that remains is a realistic revenue plan based on secure commitments - so bills can be paid (finance costs, electricity, etc).

This can be secured by renting time to other indoor sport (leaving the best spots for RH), profiting from a bar, leasing office space within building (maybe a Gym), Association contracting to hold a minimum number of events (like tournaments or national trainings) etc.

This is easy stuff. Just needs someone to grab it!!

Kos


Sounds easy, but try putting it into practice.

£335k on a loan will put you in for a good £2k a month in interest payments alone. Thats around £500 per week. Doesn't sound much, but how many clubs have enough players that will commit to paying enough to cover that. Even with 50 players thats £10.00 per week.

Then you have to also cover rates, light, heat, insurances etc etc. How much do you need to factor in for that.

OK, yes you can let the facility to others, so then you need staff. More ££££££££

Yes in theory it would be nice to have our own purpose designed venues, but can we afford the cost? You need to think big to pull off something like this. And would a council give you land being that you will effectively competing with their own centres?
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man of kent



Joined: 25 Jun 2011
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PostPosted: Friday, 01 July 2011 18:41    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you thought of applying to the `Lottery Fund` for cash to buy a
plot of land / building on it !
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Hoquei Player



Joined: 05 Jan 2012
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PostPosted: Thursday, 01 March 2012 17:32    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe creating a good, well-researched plan may well allow for government/council support.

If you can attract large-ish crowds to PL games, bring European competition to the centre and have hundreds of kids playing the sport then you have a starting point. You can also link with other sport clubs and get the community involved.

A rink doesn't have to be expensive. It doesn't need central heating or expensive lighting, nor do the stands have to be expensive - they can be cement steps like most foreign rinks. As for the barriers and playing surface, you don't need to spend hundreds of thousands on fancy (wrong) barriers and floor like at the Herne Bay Arena, but rather do what poorer communities do abroad: cement or tiled floor with brick/wooden barriers.
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